The James Gleeson oral history collection
James Gleeson interviews Australia's major artists
Pyjamas and Herald 1963
painting, sythetic polymer paint, tempera and
collage of newsprint, hessian and cotton on composition board
121.9 x 182.8 cm
© Tony Tuckson. Licensed by VISCOPY, Australia
12 November 1979
James Gleeson: Now this one.
Margaret Tuckson: This is the one that I think you are in the middle of purchasing at the moment, or have just done, or about to.
James Gleeson: Yes.
Margaret Tuckson: It was shown in the Retrospective Exhibition at the Art Gallery, and I think you’ve purchased it since then. Yes. It was one that did belong to me still but I had lent it for the Retrospective. It was very much the same period as some of the ones shown in the 1973 exhibition at Watters, but this particular one I don’t think was in that exhibition. I don’t think they had any of the collage ones. Oh, these very major collage ones where there is actual clothing.
James Gleeson: The trousers are actually collaged on to the black painting.
Margaret Tuckson: Yes. Pyjama trousers—old pyjama trousers thrown out—of mine. I’d just thrown them in a waste paper basket. I found them on a painting. The small piece on the left hand side of the painting, a collage of not canvas—what do you call that?—sacking.
James Gleeson: Yes.
Margaret Tuckson: Would have been a left over piece from the curtain that Tony made for this studio here at Lucinda Avenue, Wahroonga.
James Gleeson: I see, yes.
Margaret Tuckson: He made that curtain while we were living with my family, the Bissett family in Warrawee, ready for this studio. He just bought up a lot of old sacks and cut them up and he used to spread them all out on the front lawn and stitch them together with rough cord. It’s still hanging there in his studio with the painting store behind it. This little piece has a Mickey Mouse type figure licking its lips looking in the direction of the pyjamas, according to Daniel. I don’t know whether that was Tony’s idea or not.
James Gleeson: That was shown as No. 56 in the Memorial Exhibition that Daniel organised.
Margaret Tuckson: That’s right, yes, yes.
James Gleeson: It’slisted in the catalogue there. And illustrated in the catalogue?
Margaret Tuckson: Yes, illustrated in black and white.
James Gleeson: Oh, good.
Margaret Tuckson: But it’s what we call the red and black and white period still. That’s the major colour, apart from the collage.